Whenever an organization makes several small changes in procedure which the "faithful" perceive as a "break from tradition" it generally means they're "softening up" the faithful for a Really Big Change in the not too distant future. Probably a major change in doctrine in the coming months.
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Special Talks now via video
by AverageJoe1 intired of listening to your local elders giving the "special" talk ever year after the memorial?
well don't worry, as of next year we will be spicing things up for your enjoyment.. not only will we be having the talk before the memorial (i know, wild huh), but we will be treating you to the talk via video starring our famous speakers from bethel so you can see how a talk should be given (after all bethel does boast the best speakers in any country, right?!).
here's a copy of the text from our latest letter as i'm sure that with so much excitement you won't believe it at first!.
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Be loyal when a relative is disfellowshipped
by UnshackleTheChains inwell.....they showed that shunning video again.
you know...the one where goldilocks gets disfellowshipped- and the parents look across the hall at her with disdain.....yeah that video.. i was interested to see what kind of answers would be given during the discussion after the video and some of the reactions.
everyone sat there gormlessly staring at the video.
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Quote from Help Me Out:
Trying to associate this God-dishonouring practice with loyalty to God is evil. I cannot for one minute think that our Creator would be pleased with a father or mother who ignored the phone call of a child.
Correct! Our Creator is not pleased with this evil behavior which is from The Adversary. A Cult which practices the Works of Satan is indeed the Spawn of Satan.
Why can't those who are 'under the spell' see it? Because they're 'under the spell.' The Deceptions of Satan are powerful and blinding. The "believers" have been mind-screwed to fear all that does not align with their rigid indoctrination. The fear that they feel is stressfully intense. They will not be able to recognize their enslavement until they are able to want to. It is a state of mind called the Stockholm Syndrome. It is irrational.
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Those who DO NOT get a resurrection?
by stuckinarut2 inso we know that by jw logic, the idea is that everyone who dies is acquitted of their sin and will get a resurrection in the "new world".
however, those directly destroyed by god, or at his command will not.
(for example, those destroyed in the flood.
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The resurrection to come is in Truth a necessity.
It is necessary that ALL be resurrected. Not a single soul will be overlooked or forgotten.
It is in The Law.
https://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2017/09-2017/first-corinthians-15-adam-and-christ/
Our existence and the lessons we learn are often very painful.
It is difficult to imagine at times that all that we observe and experience is for our benefit.
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What's the deal with the anointed class, why aren't they JW rulers?
by TTWSYF inso i never got in with the jws far enough to know the detailed teachings regarding the 144k going to heaven.
they are rulers with jesus in heaven?.
shouldn't they be in charge of the wts?
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If the WTBorg Inc. Cult was truly anointed those in leadership roles would have the Mind of Christ; they'd have a solid comprehension of Bible Truth; they'd prophesy without falsehood and their lives would reflect the highest qualities of goodness and love.
Obviously that is not the case. Those men who proclaim themselves to be something they are not are therefore liars. They are doing the works of The Adversary. They are leading their followers away from what is Good under the guise of being the "chosen channel of the voice of God." Gotta give Satan very high marks for his creativity and cleverness.
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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?
by Old Navy inthe presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.
i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?
aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.
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Deegee,
That is a very comprehensive page. Very interesting.
Another -ism that might be added to the list:
militarism: unequal treatment because of rank or status
There are no doubt others which might be included.
Discrimination is not necessarily a bad thing is it?
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J.W. dogma refuted by their own RNWT Bible
by The Fall Guy inperhaps potential j.w.
recruits can use this example on their study conductors - and then witness the cognitive dissonance at first hand.. w98 2/1 p. 11 par.
13 – “when jehovah made his covenant, it was only with israel; those of the “vast mixed company,” although present, were not named as participants.”.
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Scriptural quote provided by The Fall Guy:
14 “Now it is not with you alone that I am making this covenant and this oath, 15 but it is with those standing here with us today before Jehovah our God and with those who are not here with us today."
Looks to me like this ultimately covers the "whole shebang."
This portion of the Scriptural Quote:
"...and with those who are not here with us today."
would include the whole rest of the creation; past, present and future. Looks like everybody is a part of it whether they realize it or not.
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If we could ask the Disciplines today this one question.
by pleaseresearch inimagine if we had an opportunity today to ask any of the faithful disciples this question.. who resurrected jesus?.
what would their response be... if they still remembered what jesus said in john 2:19-22.
19 jesus replied to them: “tear down this temple, and in three days i will raise it up.”+ 20 the jews then said: “this temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 but he was talking about the temple of his body.+ 22 when, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this,+ and they believed the scripture and what jesus had spoken.. .
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There are many "sacred secrets" or mysteries which have not yet been revealed. One day we shall have all of the answers. In the meantime we ponder; we discuss; we debate. Our beliefs are diverse.
None of us yet has the Full and Complete Truth.
One day we shall have it. Then we shall know.
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Governing Body of Pharisees
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1qqef4vifauxvdqrd8oemaue-4mjf2xh8-dt94-qvsbm/edit?usp=sharing.
governing body of pharisees.
alexander (the great) and his army swept through palestine on his way to persia.
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Quote from Terry Walstrom:
One thing is certain--everywhere you look.Pharisees are still with us!Indeed they are! And look how they've come into prominence "behind the curtain."
The Entertainment Industry; Television Industry; Hollywood; the Music Industry; the Sports Industry; the Financial Services Industry; the Banking Industry; the Industry of Government; the Religious Industry; the Industry of Warfare; the Health Care Industry; the Agricultural Industry; the Science Industry; the Educational Industry; etc.; etc.; etc...
Their infiltration and control of virtually The Entire World is without precedent.
As it was foretold that it would be.
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Those who DO NOT get a resurrection?
by stuckinarut2 inso we know that by jw logic, the idea is that everyone who dies is acquitted of their sin and will get a resurrection in the "new world".
however, those directly destroyed by god, or at his command will not.
(for example, those destroyed in the flood.
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The WTBorg Cult Inc. doctrine regarding resurrection is designed to instill fear in order to deepen the mind control of those under its spell. By claiming to be the effective "Voice of God" their deceit is all the more credible in the twisted minds of the GB. Satan and his minions are very, very clever...
"The Troof" preaches anything but the Real Truth.
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How Many Here EVER Considered Going Back To Meetings?
by minimus inonce i left ,i was done.
in over 10 years i didn't return except for my mother's funeral.
did you ever re enter the kh after you left?.
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Question from All or Nothing:
Old navy- how can I best wake up my still in family that they are in fact part of a high control cult as you put it?
As many here have advised, "waking up" any who are "deeply in" is a very difficult proposition because they're "mind controlled" to reject all things which run counter to their indoctrination. The Cult expends much effort in the conditioning process to instill great fear in the minds of the "believers" regarding "apostate" thoughts and literature.
Those who've had the best success warn about the temptation to make overt effort to convince the "believers" of the errors in their "faith" and the characteristics of the Cult. The risk is that rather than planting seeds to awaken them, the effort may instead drive them deeper into the Cult.
To me the best advice that I've heard is to simply treat them with loving kindness and show them by example that you're morally upright, ethical, honest and happy. Special emphasis on happy. What they see in you by example is much more powerful as a positive influence than anything said.
Once they've awakened to the point where they ask questions and are clearly looking for answers then more serious discussion can begin. But, they stress, the discussion must be non-confrontational, gentle, full of kindness and concern, and with much happiness.
That sort of advice to me makes much sense. I don't know if any of the discussion I had with active witnesses in the past ever contributed in any way to their potential awakening. I've not had any contact at all with any that I knew previously.